Wednesday, January 28, 2009

So i caved

And commented on the website previous mentioned, on this post here: http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/top-ten/

This is the exchange that occured between me and one other avid reader-

Emma:

I’m still not entirely convinced that your website is not a joke. Good parodies do exist on the internet, but unfortunately this would not fit under that category. You are enouraging the suppression of women amongst men who have a predisposition to sexism or being a chauvanist. Any intelligent person- man or women, would realise the obselete theories you’re presenting.

This post convinces me further of the fact that this really is a joke.
It is utterly nonsensical and the arguments very flawed.
Destroying things? not a good thing, what will you men inhabit when you destroy earth itself?
Hating a boyfriend or wardrobe is not racism, so it seems to me you don’t actually know the definition of the word, or are purposely oblivious to it to create another point in your list.
It’s really a pity you’ve mentioned as number 1 that males do have male sexual organs. If you haven’t realised this area is where a man is most physically vulnerable. Hit a man in the testes and you can deprive him of all his strength.
And finally, a male sheep is called a Ram.


Joseph:

Ok to sum up then, you’re not convinced this site is a joke, but you’re further convinced this site is a joke. Have I got that about right toots?



Emma:

no actually, you don’t.
“I’m still not entirely convinced that your website is NOT a joke”
One little word makes all the difference.



Joseph:

Well by golly you are right!

Gentlemen! I’ve been bested by a broad! Fuck me.

Toots, when a man is wrong, he admits that shit.

OK well you are on the right track then. The site is satire. Satire is always based on reality. And, while the posts Dick makes are extreme, the core of truth lies within. You yourself know that women pull all sorts of things mentioned in this and other posts. It is for that reason that we are chauvinists.

And a chauvinist, unlike the majority of women, understands that he will make mistakes, and fesses the fuck up.

Only request I have for you, is separate out your blocks of text into paragraphs. If you have a list of questions, put some spacing between them. Other than that I’m awarding you 25 manpoints for correctin’ my shit and your otherwise decent writing technique.



Emma:

Cheers, i will really treasure those manpoints you have found in your graces to award me.

Luckily for you i’m still a teenager so my writing skills will only improve from here.

Personally i don’t think it’s women who ‘pull all sorts of things’.
It’s people. And to be as general as yourself, men too have a long list of ridiculous things they perform. Furthermore, women do understand mistakes are made, both by themselve and others. And so, i forgive you for misreading my comments.

However, my issue is more aligned with the encouragement this blog gives, provoking sexist attitudes. Many men will not see it as ’satire’ (just as many women do not).

But the purpose of satire is evoking change, and what change to you perceive will come of this? I can only forsee a further division between sexes, which will cause more radical feminists to emerge. I would personally think that’s quite opposite to it’s aims.

I hope you approve of my paragraph spacing ;)


Joseph:

Lucky indeed, because if you write this well now, WHILE DISSENTING to so polarizing a topic, then one can expect you to only improve. I invite you to look at the comments of women on this site, you will find them digsustingly lacking in content and quality. The horrid lack of writing skills is simply one thing that lends credence to any claims. Of course when someone like you, or Grace Murray Hopper breaks these stereotypes, all the better. You’ll note we’re not complaining about skilled and useful women, just the opposite.

You might find the grammar and spelling of some men on here with some mistakes. But to a man, every one of these is foreign, English being often a third or greater language for them. There is no excuse for native English speakers to be so appalling failures with the use of their own language. Nice to have an exception to the rule here.

(Well sorta, you ARE breaking the rules after all. But well put ideas, EVEN DISSENTING ones, make for much more tolerable DISAGREEMENT. Not to mention they lend to possibilities of agreement rather than focus on shitfucked writing.)

We quite naturally agree that men are on the back end as well. You’ll read many comments about how men are abusive or idiots or criminals. Indeed, one could not make a post decrying the idiocy of women that take up with an abusive boyfriend, who is willing to beat her and her child, if one does not acknowledge that men like this are shitfucked too. Agreed?

Now, that having been said the premise of the blog and most of the comments from men is that men are better than women. The site goes over this in a satirical manner, but it is a logistical fact. It is similar to me saying, Miami is warmer than Boston. It is a GENERALIZATION. This means it is GENERALLY, but NOT ALWAYS true. So too with women and men. GENERALLY men are as a group better than women as a group. There WILL be instances that a specific woman is better than a specific man.

So then what does this mean, better? Well we’re talking plainly about what people DO. How they ACT. Men build just about everything. They dominate in all fields. They are at the top of everything endeavor. Now, I know your immediate reaction is to state the mind numbing claim made so oft, that women are unable to dominate BECAUSE men KEEP them down. Well, even if that IS true (it is not) then men are STILL better than women. Just as the other team, that is able to keep my teem from scoring, is better than my team.

But I will use a real life example. I am involved with a number of Free and Open Source Software projects. This link explains FOSS:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

The gist is that FOSS is distributed with licenses that grant you freedoms to run the program for any reason you want, modify the program as you see fit, and distribute your modifications. Most work on FOSS is volunteer. Because ANYONE can get the source, ANYONE can modify it, and even fork it, to create their own project from it. Thus, there are no RESTRAINTS from men upon women. NONE. ZERO.

We would expect then that qualified women would flock to this model then. They would be able to STAND OUT UNHINDERED. And yet, we find that only 1% of developers involved in FOSS are women. Some of the women that ARE involved claim it is because men are essentially jack asses and treat the women like shite. This is, in fact truthful. But they do not treat only the women like shite. They treat each other like shite as well. So this excuse fails. Besides which, any woman could grab a project, make her own project out of it, and leave the men behind with a giant fuck you. But women do not do this.

So then why? Why are there many women involved in COMMERCIAL software (owned by corporations) and so few involved in FOSS? Well the answer is simple. In foss, there are no LOWERED STANDARDS. A project rises or falls on the SKILL of the developer and the QUALITY of their output. Whereas in a corporation, when can rely on TITLE VII of the Federal Code. This is what you know as AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. It REQUIRES that certain percentages of women fill roles in companies. Often they have a DIFFICULT TIME finding women to fill these roles. That leaves them only one choice. LOWER the STANDARD and fill the job with any warm body. So we have it in Information Technology at least, that Men are indeed better than women. (With some notable female exceptions such as Grace Murray Hopper, all grace and praise be unto her).

Of course hopefully you admit that most men are better than most women at physical activities, including sports. And, while the top women competitors will often beat the lowest male competitors, they only VERY VERY rarely beat the top male competitors. It is for this reason that we secregate sports. Otherwise, in something as simple as a marathon, women would never be winners. Indeed recently a girl won a high school golf championship against the boys. But she was only able to do that because she was granted handicaps the boys were not. And STILL she is convinced she was BETTER than they are. Receiving a 5 stroke handicap does not make you better.

Just as with your writing. I hold you to the same standards that I hold men. You have met them. Would you feel as skilled if I allowed for poor writing skills to pass as something as good as someone else’s better skills? Based on what I have seen so far I would suggest the answer is no. I’m convinced you seek to BETTER yourself. That means by definition you are going to be better than others. As a GROUP women that write well, are BETTER than women that have shitfucked writing.

(Couple other tips you can use caps for highlighting. But only use swearing if it works for the topic. I shitfuck my writing all the time because it bemuses me. No you’ve not done either yet, just letting you know in advance)

Cheers and good paragraph spacing. Good points. Keep that shit up.


Emma:

I’m glad i’ve met YOUR standards, for really, just in that i’m going to excel in life.

However, i realise that nothing i say on this site really means anything, the comments i have previously added are just for arguments sake.

So now, i do not fold, rather move on. And achieve what i want in a more productive and meaningful matter. To me, this blog is below what we should consider human standards, not in writing, but in theory. And i don’t want to waste any more time with it.

Thanks for the stimulating conversation.




I feel good to get that out of my system

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